How to appeal an SACPCMP registration decision

SACPCMP registration of construction health and safety officers, managers or agents is long, costly, and open to dispute (see criticism below).

Among the hurdles facing practitioners after formal training, are applications, fees, annual fees, reports (essays), finding a suitably qualified mentor to sign off on a logbook of experience, exams, interviews, and some flimsy online CPD ‘development’ procedures.

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Here is a real example of an SACPCMP registration decision to decline and downgrade the applicant to Candidate status, pending a further two years of experience logged by a mentor. After the eventual decision, follows the appeal of the applicant.

“OUTCOME of application for registration as a professional construction health and safety manager. After careful review of your application, SACPCMP council has made the following recommendations based on the information you submitted;

“That you register as a Candidate CHS Manager for two years, for these reasons;
• You have demonstrated knowledge of construction, however this exposure is included to project management and does not demonstrate sufficient CHS Management experience.
• Your project reports demonstrated generic theoretical knowledge rather than applied experience in CHS Management.

“SACPCMP Council further wishes to advise you that in order to eventually qualify for professional status, you will need to maintain a logbook during your candidature period. This would need to be submitted annually after endorsement by your mentor, to demonstrate you acquisition of experience.

“You are also required to work under the supervision of a professional construction project manager in terms of section 18(3) of the CPMP Act, and be invited for an interview.

“To register as a Candidate CHS Manager, pay for registration and the annual fee. You may appeal within 30 days upon proof of payment of the appeal fee of R3695.

Appeal against SACPCMP registration decision

“To the Registrar, PO Box 6286, Halfway House, 1687. Dear Sir or Madam; APPEAL against the outcome of an application for registration as a professional construction health and safety manager, in terms of section 35 of the Act.

“After carefully studying the recommendations by your council regarding my application, I came to the conclusion to appeal your decision.

“I appeal based on your criteria for registration as construction health and safety manager, where you indicated that if the candidate has a National Diploma in the built environment, the applicant needs a qualification with small components of OHS plus additional health and safety training, and more than five years relevant post-qualification experience in construction.

“You recommended that I have demonstrated knowledge as per your requirements, as attached. It is confusing to hear from you that I have insufficient experience. You indicated that I was more inclined towards construction project management.

“I ensured that appointees did comply with the OHS Act and Construction Regulations. I dispute the view of your assessors that I have not acquired enough construction health and safety management experience.

“You also recommend that I have generic theoretical knowledge rather than applied experience in construction health and safety management. Did you assess my report. I have indicated that for the first two years after I graduated I was employed by Central Karoo District Municipality as the first health and safety officer there.

“I started all the health and safety systems, developed specifications, did incident investigations, conducted inspections, trained OHS reps, etc. In all my years of service I have been involved in safety management.

“I am completing my National Diploma in Safety Management and I believe that I have concrete applied knowledge in construction health and safety management.

“I recently helped the Ndlambe Municipality in the matter related to the High Court decision to let the owner of erf 20 in Kenton on Sea demolish the structure.

“The municipal consultant managing the process struggled to get the owner to submit a health and safety plan. I advised the consultant to provide the owner with a documented health and safety specification as required by Construction Regulation 4 (a). Let us not become too technical here.

“I wish to put into perspective the pain and frustration I endured during my application process. I applied to the SACPCMP last year in October, only to get feedback in August, almost a year later.

“In May I received an update that the assessors are indecisive and my file would be sent for moderation. I assume they saw me fit to be a construction health and safety Manager, why were their views ignored by the moderator, who took three months to come to a conclusion.

“I had to write several emails. On your roadshow you advertised regulation of the health and safety profession, with a turnaround time of six weeks. In my case it is already ten months.

“Mr Forgey, in our telephonic and email interactions you kept on mentioning that you are under-capacitated and that was one of the reasons for getting outcomes way later than anticipated, yet in your recommendation you do not take into consideration my time lost due to your own doing. I hope you find my appeal in order. Signed….”

SACPCMP registration criticised

Consultant Rudy Maritz responded to this post; “NIOCCSA should list the SACPCMP on the incompetence register. I am out of this game, I cancelled all my registrations.” editor Edmond Furter responded to this post; “I oppose the format of the current health and safety professionalisation process, because it does not address flaws in the NQF, DHE, universities, QCTO, SETAs, legislation, or enforcement, nor in business employment, HR and operational practices. Nor does it compensate or ‘plaster over’ these flaws.

“Registration based on semi-privatisation of pseudo-training functions such as exams, interviews, CPD, workshops, and quality assessment, would perpetuate and magnify systemic flaws such as duplication, OHS generalism, sectoral fragmentation, and low institutional capacity, while an array of boards and contractors flourish on additional fees.

“By moving the focus of health and safety employers and practitioners towards institutions, the state is further weakening our fragile education and training system, and diverting the role of associations into pseudo-training and pseudo-discipline, instead of representation and advocacy.”

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14 thoughts on “How to appeal an SACPCMP registration decision

  1. HAHAHAHA!!! The SA See pee pee we pay? Are you nuts? Why give your money to a corrupt government so you can do the job the DOL is not capable of doing?
    I previously said H&S people are dumb. You really are stupid. Why on earth would you want to be taxed under the blind fold of professionalism? Let the DOL sort out their own incompetence first. Then they can blame H&S for being stupid. They create laws that benefits a few “Arse crawlers” dubbed as “stakeholders” who then believe money solves stupidity.
    If I were H&S I’d screw them all. Let’s go on with the job and earn money. Why give it to the “See we pee it away” or what ever they call themselves.

    1. Oh so now Danny is blaming DOL instead of the membership schemes? That took you a while – must be taking on board my comments. Now, what exactly are you going to do about not paying taxes to the government in SA?

      Not all H&S people are dumb – those of us who saw the ship sinking, jumped off and swam as far away as we could.

      1. Okay, not all are dumb, but even those who can swim is extremely gullable, or did you really think ole Danny Boy does not know H&S? I may be an IT nerd, but I can find stuff on the internet few people know where to look for, like for instance, the IOSM member list and who has not paid them.

  2. lol o Koos, you never miss a “told you so” moment.
    I think the names of these assessors should be made public so we know who to take to court if they turn us down. And new body is to emerge: STRPSA
    Screw the registration process in SA – who’s joining me? It costs three thousand Nkandlas and the money goes into a trust to start a class action suit against the SACPCMP.

    ==== Editor notes; The registration crack-filler formula is a little more complicated than cement. The main stakeholders in the SACPCMP are employers, represented by Master Builders, voluntary association board members, advisors, lawyers, some state officials, and others. Their agenda is to keep the cost of health and safety labour low, and to shift blame from corporate HR policies, to statutory agencies. Registration designations have wonderful meanings in court and in the public mind. It soothes painful consciences.

  3. Well, if someone dies because of the negligence of a registered person, you can be sure I will sue the living shit out of him and the ticket office that sold him the “competency” SACPCMP or SAIOSHticket – If that is the way competency is assured, let them staan in die Ray and accept the consequences, just like doctors gets sued for malpractice.
    Rudy is a wise man to pull out of this farce.

    1. I seem to have missed exactly what registrations your hero, Rudy, has pulled out of? Membership of the Society of Memberships Schemes Makers? Or is it Occupational Health, Safety & Hygiene Institute of Technology (abbreviated to O.H.S.H.I.T.)?

      Nee, mense, come join NIEKAKSE where we does promote NO SHIT. Membership is free, and we list those would we would like to stop talking kak on our incontinence register. Free roll of toilet paper with our logo on each sheet provided to first 100 members.

      Jis, I’m on a roll here – wif dat toilet paper roll, we cater for both “ends” of the market so as to speak.

      1. “I seem to have missed exactly what registrations your hero, Rudy, has pulled out of?” Let me help you here. Search for me under “registered persons” on the SACPCMP website. You will not find me. That should answer your question.

      2. Koos rumar has it that Marshall Maritz has been de registered and not him “pulling out”. Something to do with the Code of Conduct?

      3. And this rumour has nothing to do with the rumour about fraud charges laid against you?

      4. Rudy was telling porkies, he is still listed by the SACPCMP and hold three professional registrations Pr CPM /Pr CM /Pr CMTR with a forth one pending Pr CHSA. Peter it seems that your Safety Savior is a King when it comes to professional registrations, he leads but others must not follow?

      5. lol Mark
        To access the registered persons list, you need to be registered yourself.
        Otherwise you can only access the information you just volunteered.

  4. YAH YAH Peter Shields Ou groot bek!!!
    You cannot sue the SACPCMP. They have no accountability for who they approve and who not. It is only a scam to make money. Registered or not, if the shit hits the fan, the SACPCMP will be gone like the fly-by-nights in the registration racket.

  5. Who are these assessors, where do they come from, what level of education do they have, who interviewed them, where was their positions advertised. The sacpcmp is busy robbing us, it is a pour scheme from those who pretended to care. How many people are going to be registered come next year August, this thing is a flop I am sorry to say this. We need people who will enforce the Act, but this guys are failing everyone except their cronies. The idea of regularising the profession was good but the way it is implemented is wrong.

    1. Recommendations if the so called SACPCMP registration is forced onto us as SHE Professionals. Why dont SACPCMP and DoL make legislation in the construction regulation that 1% of the contract amount tendered must be paid for the Safety Consultant/ that are appointed as Safety Manager/Safety Officer. This will take care of the SHE professional to cover the costs of accumulate CPD/ and Registration fees that are necessary. Just my 2c of comment.

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